File Sharing: Tiger & Vista, Part 2

A solution for Vista network connection to Macintosh problems.

Back in December, 2005, I wrote an article titled “File Sharing: Tiger & Vista,” in which I reported my efforts in getting my Dual G5 running Tiger to talk to my Dell laptop running Vista. As that article explains, I was able to set up Vista so Mac OS could connect and access the Dell’s files. But I was unable to get Vista to connect to the Dual G5 to access the Mac’s files.

I won’t bore you with my attempts to resolve this problem. It was very frustrating. Microsoft claimed it was an Apple support issue and Apple claimed it was a Microsoft support issue. You know the drill.

In reading through my feeds today, I stumbled across a post on macoshints.com, “Fix a Vista to Mac failure to connect problem.” The author of the article, shoutdown, had found a thread on the vista64.net forum with instructions for fixing the problem: “Will not accept my password when connecting to WORKGROUP computer.”

I read the thread and followed the instructions. Not only was I able to [finally] connect to my Mac from Vista, but Vista had remembered the password I’d used on all my attempts and just connected me without prompting for a password. What’s even more amazing is that it also allowed me to [finally] set up my shared printer, an HP LaserJet 2100TN directly connected to my G5 via Ethernet, on Vista and even — can you imagine? — print a page!

The problem evidently has something to do with Vista security (what else is new?). From robg on macosxhints.com:

…it seems the problem is that Microsoft has disabled LM and NTLM authentication, which is what OS X’s version of Samba uses. Microsoft’s preferred solution is to upgrade to Samba 3, which supports NTLMv2, as does Vista.

rogb thoughtfully provides the link to the fix for folks running Vista Home versions, which don’t include Administrative Tools. (I’m running Ultimate, for reasons I’m still unclear about, so shoutdown’s link worked fine for me.)

The bottom line: If you want to connect from your Mac to a Vista machine, read my original “File Sharing: Tiger & Vista” article. If you want to connect from Vista to a Mac, start by reading “Fix a Vista to Mac failure to connect problem.”

File Sharing: Tiger & Vista

Stuck? This might help.

I’ve been working with Vista on my new PC for a few months now. I’d originally done an install over Windows XP, but the other day I did a clean install of the Vista Gold Master, wiping the computer clean so there was no old stuff on there. (When the only thing you use a computer for is to run software you write about, this is pretty painless to do.)

Connect DialogThis resulted in a problem: My PC could no longer access folders on my Mac. I simply could not log in. (For some reason, my computer insisted on inserting its name in the User Name field in the Connect dialog; see screenshot.) And, on the Mac side, I could no longer mount a predetermined folder from my PC on my Mac.

This was a big pain in the butt. When I write about Windows stuff (in this case, Excel 2007), I use screenshot software that dumps the resulting screenshot in a folder on my Mac. I then open the file in Photoshop, do some basic image editing, and save it for use in the manuscript, which I’m working on on my Mac.

So now I could no longer have Windows screenshots automatically saved on my Mac.

Okay, so I was going to have to do some extra work with Vista installed. But the problem was, I couldn’t get networking between the two computers to work at all. And that was something I could not work with.

I spent a lot of time searching Microsoft and Apple tech support databases for help on the problem. (Do you know that if you search the Mac tech support databases for “vista” you come up empty? At least this week.) No answers. But one lead.

As you read this, keep in mind that I am not a Windows person. I’m a Mac person through-and-through but am often asked to write about Windows software. I was recently asked to write about Windows OS stuff and I told the editor that I barely knew enough to keep myself out of trouble and I certainly didn’t want to learn more. So if you’re a Windows person and am amazed with what you are about to read, remember this paragraph, have patience, and use the comments link to gently lead me on the correct path.

Network and Sharing CenterThat said, Vista, unlike XP, does not appear to support the “network places” feature. Instead,there’s a Network and Sharing Center where you can set up Sharing and Discovery options. I found that if I followed the following steps, I could create a Public folder that was accessible by my Mac:

In Windows:

  1. Choose Start > Control Panel.
  2. Under Network and Internet, click Set up file sharing.
  3. Turn on the following Sharing and Discovery options:
    Network Discovery (may not be necessary)
    File Sharing
    Public Folder Sharing
    Password Protected Sharing (may not be necessary)
  4. Close the Network and Sharing Center Window. The settings are saved.

In Mac OS:

  1. Click Network in the Sidebar of any Finder window.
  2. Double-click the alias for the Vista PC.
  3. If prompted to Authenticate, enter a Vista User ID and Password.
  4. Connect to PCChoose Public from the pop-up menu.
  5. Click OK.

The Public folder is mounted on your Mac and can be used as a conduit for moving files between computers.

If that helps you, great! But if that was child’s play and you’re wondering why I bothered to take the time to write it and add the screenshots, maybe you can help me.

How can I access a Mac folder from Vista? Yes, I have file sharing turned in Mac OS on and a user specified on Mac OS. I’ve done all the basics, everything covered in the documentation. The problem seems to be that the Vista machine insists on adding the computer name to the Name field of the Connect box (see the first screen shot in this article). How do I get it to stop doing that? What am I doing wrong?

Use the comments link if you have some ideas for me to try.

New Excel Book in Progress

After two months off from writing, I begin work on an Excel book revision.

Creating Spreadsheets and Charts in Excel: Visual QuickProject GuideI dove into a revision of my Creating Spreadsheets and Charts in Excel: Visual QuickProject Guide book today. I actually got the first chapter — all 16 pages of it — done.

If you’re not familiar with the VQJ (as Peachpit calls it) series, it’s pretty simple. Written for raw beginners, the books use a lot of full color illustrations, large text, numbered steps, and callout lines. Each book in the series is only 144 or 168 pages long — this one weighs in at 144 pages. It’s not the least bit intimidating for any reader.

The first edition of the book covered Excel 2003 for Windows and Excel 2004 for Mac OS. The two versions of Excel are virtually identical, so it made sense to do one book to cover them both. I think I did a good job giving each platform equal space and showing screenshots from both platforms when they were significantly different.

The idea behind the series is to present a project — in this case, creating a budget spreadsheet, duplicating it for multiple months of information, consolidating the months, formatting the spreadsheets so they look good, creating a chart, and printing. All the basics are covered in one project, presented over multiple chapters. The first chapter covers preliminary stuff like interface elements and terminology. The next chapter is where we start creating the spreadsheet.

Creating Resumes, Letters, Business Cards, and Flyers in Word: Visual QuickProject GuideI have two books in this series. This one is doing very well and has been translated into at least two languages. The other book — take a deep breath if you plan to read the title out loud — Creating Resumes, Letters, Business Cards, and Flyers in Word: Visual QuickProject Guide (I had to look it up; I can never remember the title of that book), isn’t doing quite as well. I like to think it’s because people don’t really want to create all those things. But it’s probably because the Word book market is full of titles and this 168-page tome just doesn’t stand out enough on bookstore shelves.

Creating Spreadsheets and Charts in Microsoft Excel 2007: Visual QuickProject GuideThis Excel book revision is not cross platform. Tentatively titled Creating Spreadsheets and Charts in Microsoft Excel 2007: Visual QuickProject Guide, it covers Excel 2007 for Windows only. (It always amazes me when Amazon.com knows what one of my books will look like before I do.) To write it, I not only had to get my hands on the Office beta, but I also had to get the Windows Vista beta, which my editor wanted running on the computer for all the screenshots. Without Vista, he claimed, the book would look outdated right away. He’s right. And although I wasn’t too thrilled about running beta application software on beta System software, it seems to be working pretty well. Of course, I had to buy a new computer to run all this stuff. My ancient Dell desktop machine would have dropped dead if I tried installing Vista on it, especially with the new graphics-intensive interface. The new Dell Latitude 820 laptop I bought to replace it is handling everything with ease. It should for what it cost me. But with luck, I won’t have to replace it for 4 to 5 years.

Office 2007 is no secret. You can see screenshots and all kinds of training material on the Microsoft Office 2007 Preview site. You might even still be able to download a beta. It’ll run on Windows XP and Vista, so you don’t have to do a double beta like I did to run it.

Over the years, many have complained that Office doesn’t change much with each new version. You won’t hear those complaints this time around. Microsoft has completely reworked the interface. The menus and toolbars are gone, replaced with something called the Ribbon. Click a Ribbon tab to view groups of commands. Click a command to invoke it. Or click a tiny button in the corner of a group to display a good old dialog box.

The new design does appear to be easier for newbies to grasp. But I think it’ll frustrate the hell out of seasoned Office users — at least until they get used to the interface. There’s logic behind it, so if you think about what you want to do, you can figure out where to find the buttons or menus you need to do it. And all the old keyboard shortcuts still work, so if you’ve been using Office applications for years, you won’t be at a total loss in the new version.

Of course, all this has me wondering whether they’ll use the same interface in the Mac version of Office when it gets updated. That would be almost sacrilegious. After all, didn’t Apple invent the interface so widely used by Mac OS and Windows programs? I can’t imagine a Mac program without a menu bar that starts with File and Edit. I guess time will tell.

What’s good about all this for me is that people will need a book to learn the new versions of Office applications. They can’t just use an old Office book to work with the new version. With luck, that’ll help book sales a little. After all, I have to pay for that fancy new computer, don’t I?

Stay tuned for more information about this book as it is completed. It will definitely make it to stores at the same time as Office 2007 — heck, at the rate I’m going, I should be done with it by the end of the month.

Articles About Mac OS

Links to some older articles I’ve written about Mac OS.

Looking for articles about Mac OS? Try these.

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Macintosh & Windows File Sharing

Maria Speaks Episode 15: Setting Up Macintosh and Windows File Sharing.

This episode is another podcast of one of the articles I wrote for the Informit.com Web site. Informit is a great source of free articles and other information about computer topics. It’s also where you can buy books by Pearson Education authors like me at a discount. Visit the Informit Web site at www.informit.com. Or link to my Informit articles by visiting the Articles page on my web site, www.aneclecticmind.com.

This article explains why and how to set up file sharing between a Macintosh and Windows computer. It covers file sharing in both directions — from Mac to PC and from PC to Mac. If you’re in a mixed platform, networked environment, keep listening to learn how to effortlessly share files between platforms.

This is an enhanced podcast. To take advantage of all features, view with iTunes 6.0 or later or on a video-capable iPod.