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		<title>By: Wareprise</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-939</link>
		<dc:creator>Wareprise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 09:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In upcoming version of Microsoft Word, they plan to host the app online so there&#039;s no need to install it on your machine.

So the question is... would you pay for an online version of Word? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll be the first customer.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wareprise&#180;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wareprise.com/2008/12/10/aviary-free-online-image-editor-similar-to-photoshop-ui/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aviary - free online image editor similar to photoshop UI&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In upcoming version of Microsoft Word, they plan to host the app online so there&#8217;s no need to install it on your machine.</p>
<p>So the question is&#8230; would you pay for an online version of Word? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll be the first customer.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Wareprise&#180;s last blog post: <a href="http://www.wareprise.com/2008/12/10/aviary-free-online-image-editor-similar-to-photoshop-ui/" rel="nofollow">Aviary &#8211; free online image editor similar to photoshop UI</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Nattoh</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>Nattoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 02:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to Tom B about tracking changes in Word, the latest version of NeoOffice has a much improved version of the same and with useful print-out options as well (see under Edit menu &#039;Changes&#039;).

One can open and save any version of MS-Word not to mention saving as a PDF (ask Word to do that!). That said, very complex formatting in Word, Excel or PowerPoint does not always translate perfectly but lightly formatted documents open reasonably reliably.

My ingrained MS-Word habits took a bit of time to change but after a week or so there was no way I was going back - and all for the price of donation that one could afford or feel was appropriate - just brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to Tom B about tracking changes in Word, the latest version of NeoOffice has a much improved version of the same and with useful print-out options as well (see under Edit menu &#8216;Changes&#8217;).</p>
<p>One can open and save any version of MS-Word not to mention saving as a PDF (ask Word to do that!). That said, very complex formatting in Word, Excel or PowerPoint does not always translate perfectly but lightly formatted documents open reasonably reliably.</p>
<p>My ingrained MS-Word habits took a bit of time to change but after a week or so there was no way I was going back &#8211; and all for the price of donation that one could afford or feel was appropriate &#8211; just brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-938</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria,

Having used Pages for a while, I must say that I was entirely satisfied except for a couple of things that I may as well take for granted in Word: the ability to have ctrl-s save in a pre-determined format (in my case .rtf) without having to choose &quot;export,&quot; and the blue screen with white text. Pages&#039; inability to give me the former eventually pushed me back to Word (the latter was inconsequential in this decision). Now, I use Word for word processing and Keynote for presentations. Other than this (major) shortcoming, Pages is a complete word processor. Good luck and let us know your decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria,</p>
<p>Having used Pages for a while, I must say that I was entirely satisfied except for a couple of things that I may as well take for granted in Word: the ability to have ctrl-s save in a pre-determined format (in my case .rtf) without having to choose &#8220;export,&#8221; and the blue screen with white text. Pages&#8217; inability to give me the former eventually pushed me back to Word (the latter was inconsequential in this decision). Now, I use Word for word processing and Keynote for presentations. Other than this (major) shortcoming, Pages is a complete word processor. Good luck and let us know your decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Writing, Word, Google Docs, Pages and BBEdit</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-937</link>
		<dc:creator>Writing, Word, Google Docs, Pages and BBEdit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maria Langer has been setting up a 12&#8243; Powerbook and ponders in A Computer without Word?:  But the real question is: Do I need Microsoft Office on [...]</description>
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		<title>By: maxplanar</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-936</link>
		<dc:creator>maxplanar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I updated my laptop to a MBP this summer and decided - really just for want of the experiment - to try and live without Office.   I installed iWork &#039;08 and that&#039;s it.   So far it&#039;s been a perfect solution with no problems - Pages imported all my old Word docs without a single hitch, and Numbers had no problem with my Excel docs either.   Going in the opposite direction, I was  successfully able to Export As Word and Excel docs and move them back into Office on other systems.   At this point I doubt I&#039;ll ever use Office again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I updated my laptop to a MBP this summer and decided &#8211; really just for want of the experiment &#8211; to try and live without Office.   I installed iWork &#8217;08 and that&#8217;s it.   So far it&#8217;s been a perfect solution with no problems &#8211; Pages imported all my old Word docs without a single hitch, and Numbers had no problem with my Excel docs either.   Going in the opposite direction, I was  successfully able to Export As Word and Excel docs and move them back into Office on other systems.   At this point I doubt I&#8217;ll ever use Office again.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you tried using one of the writing programs instead of a word processor? There are several on the Mac.

Ulysses from The Blue Technologies Group

Scrivener from Literature &amp; Latte

CopyWrite from Bartas Technologies

My favorite is Scrivener.

CopyWrite supports change tracking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you tried using one of the writing programs instead of a word processor? There are several on the Mac.</p>
<p>Ulysses from The Blue Technologies Group</p>
<p>Scrivener from Literature &amp; Latte</p>
<p>CopyWrite from Bartas Technologies</p>
<p>My favorite is Scrivener.</p>
<p>CopyWrite supports change tracking.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-934</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mellel II is also a great word processor and relatively inexpensive considering its richness in features.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mellel II is also a great word processor and relatively inexpensive considering its richness in features.</p>
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		<title>By: Neurotic Nomad</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-924</link>
		<dc:creator>Neurotic Nomad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this another vote for NeoOffice.  I don&#039;t use it as my primary word processor (I use Pages &amp; TextEdit for 95% of things) but I keep it installed for the rare occasion I need a bell or a whistle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this another vote for NeoOffice.  I don&#8217;t use it as my primary word processor (I use Pages &amp; TextEdit for 95% of things) but I keep it installed for the rare occasion I need a bell or a whistle.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom B:

For versioning?  Try plain UTF-8 and Subversion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom B:</p>
<p>For versioning?  Try plain UTF-8 and Subversion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a fan of Bean.  Maybe it&#039;s progressed since I tried it.

NeoOffice is getting there, but still has performance issues for me.  It&#039;s a port.  Given that it does way more than I actually need, I rarely open it, except to translate OpenDocument files into rtf.  Maybe TextEdit could do that for me just as well, I haven&#039;t checked.  Anyway, I rarely feel like it&#039;s worth waiting for it to launch to access more features than I need, to pick up a thread from your post.  Haven&#039;t bothered to bring it with me into Leopard.

There are various legacy word processing programs from the OS 9 days that are still being updated - Nisus, Mellel, etc.  Too expensive for me, given TextEdit and the fact that when I need features that Word has it&#039;s usually because I need...Word.  Ie., to interact with others who use it.  Some nice interface ideas, etc, but, to the extent that these programs have not been killed by Word&#039;s ubiquitousness and refusal even to condescend to translate their file formats, these programs are now killed by iWork, which does what they do and is very compatible (by design) with Word.

iWork is what I would pick if I wanted to replace Word.  The version tracking and comments features interacted seamlessly between Word and Pages in my brief testing.  I&#039;m sure that there are issues, but it&#039;s actually remarkably smooth, especially if you&#039;re old enough to remember the Word v. Wordperfect days.

Or you might just, as you mention, use TextEdit.

Personally?  I installed Word, because I have it and  I&#039;m used to its feature set, even though it&#039;s slow on my intel machine.  I don&#039;t use it for most of my writing, though - I prefer to draft things in a text editor and then format them later, in Word or with LaTex or whatever.  TextMate is nice, TextWrangler is free.

If I was starting from scratch with my software collection, though, I would be tempted to go with Pages.  It&#039;s good stuff.  Give it a try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a fan of Bean.  Maybe it&#8217;s progressed since I tried it.</p>
<p>NeoOffice is getting there, but still has performance issues for me.  It&#8217;s a port.  Given that it does way more than I actually need, I rarely open it, except to translate OpenDocument files into rtf.  Maybe TextEdit could do that for me just as well, I haven&#8217;t checked.  Anyway, I rarely feel like it&#8217;s worth waiting for it to launch to access more features than I need, to pick up a thread from your post.  Haven&#8217;t bothered to bring it with me into Leopard.</p>
<p>There are various legacy word processing programs from the OS 9 days that are still being updated &#8211; Nisus, Mellel, etc.  Too expensive for me, given TextEdit and the fact that when I need features that Word has it&#8217;s usually because I need&#8230;Word.  Ie., to interact with others who use it.  Some nice interface ideas, etc, but, to the extent that these programs have not been killed by Word&#8217;s ubiquitousness and refusal even to condescend to translate their file formats, these programs are now killed by iWork, which does what they do and is very compatible (by design) with Word.</p>
<p>iWork is what I would pick if I wanted to replace Word.  The version tracking and comments features interacted seamlessly between Word and Pages in my brief testing.  I&#8217;m sure that there are issues, but it&#8217;s actually remarkably smooth, especially if you&#8217;re old enough to remember the Word v. Wordperfect days.</p>
<p>Or you might just, as you mention, use TextEdit.</p>
<p>Personally?  I installed Word, because I have it and  I&#8217;m used to its feature set, even though it&#8217;s slow on my intel machine.  I don&#8217;t use it for most of my writing, though &#8211; I prefer to draft things in a text editor and then format them later, in Word or with LaTex or whatever.  TextMate is nice, TextWrangler is free.</p>
<p>If I was starting from scratch with my software collection, though, I would be tempted to go with Pages.  It&#8217;s good stuff.  Give it a try.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom B</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-925</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best arguments FOR using Word: 1) version history (Word can record changes) 2) Able to do very complex formatting (like for a scientific journal), if you don&#039;t mind pulling out lots of your hair in the process (Word does lots of stupid things, like numbering tables the way IT wants to)

On versioning: Leapard now has Time Machine, at the system level.

On formatting: Maybe you don&#039;t need that. Also, some journals do it for you now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best arguments FOR using Word: 1) version history (Word can record changes) 2) Able to do very complex formatting (like for a scientific journal), if you don&#8217;t mind pulling out lots of your hair in the process (Word does lots of stupid things, like numbering tables the way IT wants to)</p>
<p>On versioning: Leapard now has Time Machine, at the system level.</p>
<p>On formatting: Maybe you don&#8217;t need that. Also, some journals do it for you now.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree entirely about Adobe&#039;s software being bloatware. I recently installed Photoshop CS3 and InDesign CS3 and could not believe the amount of garbage installed with them. In fact, I think that Adobe is now worse than Microsoft when it comes to installing additional, unwanted software on a computer.

I&#039;m going to give these products -- Neo Office and Bean -- a try. Thanks so much for the additional information.

Maybe if more of us start weaning ourselves off Office, Microsoft will get the idea and make a return trip to reality.

Or maybe not. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely about Adobe&#8217;s software being bloatware. I recently installed Photoshop CS3 and InDesign CS3 and could not believe the amount of garbage installed with them. In fact, I think that Adobe is now worse than Microsoft when it comes to installing additional, unwanted software on a computer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to give these products &#8212; Neo Office and Bean &#8212; a try. Thanks so much for the additional information.</p>
<p>Maybe if more of us start weaning ourselves off Office, Microsoft will get the idea and make a return trip to reality.</p>
<p>Or maybe not. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Mikey</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need MS Office. Neo Office works very well. We are a community newspaper (twice weekly) and I&#039;ve weaned the entire office off of MS Office (even the Windows machines) and into a) Open Office (Windows); Neo Office (Mac) and for a real, small, fast, kick-butt word processor, try Bean. The writing staff here mostly use Bean.

I use Bean for writing and Neo Office to open MS Word files that have (complex) formatting and/or graphics embedded in them.

Since we are heavily reliant on the Adobe Create Suite here, I am finding that machines are far more stable with only one suite of bloatware (Adobe&#039;s) rather than two (Adobe&#039;s and Microsoft).

I&#039;ll be looking at iWork in the future, but right now, Neo Office is doing the trick for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need MS Office. Neo Office works very well. We are a community newspaper (twice weekly) and I&#8217;ve weaned the entire office off of MS Office (even the Windows machines) and into a) Open Office (Windows); Neo Office (Mac) and for a real, small, fast, kick-butt word processor, try Bean. The writing staff here mostly use Bean.</p>
<p>I use Bean for writing and Neo Office to open MS Word files that have (complex) formatting and/or graphics embedded in them.</p>
<p>Since we are heavily reliant on the Adobe Create Suite here, I am finding that machines are far more stable with only one suite of bloatware (Adobe&#8217;s) rather than two (Adobe&#8217;s and Microsoft).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be looking at iWork in the future, but right now, Neo Office is doing the trick for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Langer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria Langer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this info and the link. I&#039;ll try to check it out later in the week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this info and the link. I&#8217;ll try to check it out later in the week.</p>
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		<title>By: April</title>
		<link>http://www.mariasguides.com/2007/11/13/a-computer-without-word/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NeoOffice&lt;/a&gt; is a reasonably stable version of the OpenOffice.org office suite that has been engineered to run natively on Mac OS X.

The main reason I use it instead of OpenOffice is that I am always forgetting to use Ctrl instead of Cmd within the X11 environment. So far I have mostly used its spreadsheets for things like personal record-keeping. So can&#039;t vouch for it for large projects. Nor can I vouch for it with Leopard as I still using Tiger.

&lt;em&gt;April&#039;s last blog post: &lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://arteliance.blogsome.com/2007/11/12/how-to-use-gmail-to-prevent-bloggers-regret/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to use Gmail to Prevent Blogger?s Regret&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php" rel="nofollow">NeoOffice</a> is a reasonably stable version of the OpenOffice.org office suite that has been engineered to run natively on Mac OS X.</p>
<p>The main reason I use it instead of OpenOffice is that I am always forgetting to use Ctrl instead of Cmd within the X11 environment. So far I have mostly used its spreadsheets for things like personal record-keeping. So can&#8217;t vouch for it for large projects. Nor can I vouch for it with Leopard as I still using Tiger.</p>
<p><em>April&#8217;s last blog post: </em><a href='http://arteliance.blogsome.com/2007/11/12/how-to-use-gmail-to-prevent-bloggers-regret/' rel="nofollow">How to use Gmail to Prevent Blogger?s Regret</a></p>
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